"I'm probably not supposed to, but I will anyway."

Dara Horn is about to describe a meeting she has never discussed in public. Harvard's deans, in one room, and what she calls extremely disturbing.

It opens a conversation with the author of The Final Solution to the Jewish Question: A Love Story for the Living, a New York Times best seller. She argues that antisemitism is a lie, not just a hatred, and that the community has been fighting it with the wrong tool. She describes a coordinated effort to shape what AI believes about Jews. And when Avi Jorisch asks whether American Jews need a Plan B, she refuses the question.

She says the strategy is clear. Almost no one, she says, is pursuing it.

Statecraft with Avi Jorisch is a production of IEF. Conversations with the people shaping the destiny of Israel and the Jewish people.

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction

02:32 A Jewish Home Built From Scratch

06:40 Tinoket in a Class of Retirees

08:49 The Data Poisoning Plot

12:12 Rethinking What Antisemitism Is

14:33 How People Love Dead Jews Began

17:44 The Premise of The Final Solution

21:54 A Proposal in a Harvard Library

23:49 The Meeting With Harvard's Deans

29:09 American Jewry in 2050

32:55 Irwin Cotler's Warning

39:22 The Plan B Question

45:26 Inside the Tell Institute

49:43 Lightning Round